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Why Jesus has failed again at Eriayur? | |||
| Published on March 15th, 2008 In Blogging, Careers-Life, News, Philosophy, Politics | Views 1291 | ||||
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Why Jesus failed again at Eriayur?
The failure at Eraiyur is serious: As the mass-media flashes news immediately, definitely the Church has been in jitters, nervous and really worried in responding to the violent behaviour of their believers. “Oh God, Oh God, why you have forsaken me?“[1], thus crying the affected believers. Jesus" assurance[2] that, “You all one in Christ, whether one is black or white, gentile or Jew" has failed utterly, as these believers have decided to fight with each other[3].
Karunanidhi and his Black Parivar aid and abet: Thus, when the Black Parivar, atheist Karunanidhi and others have been creating a lot of tamasha, sensation and excitement exploiting the old-man Arumugaswamy, singing Tevram in Tamil and the advocates getting benefits, the Catholic believers want separate Churches to worship, pray and conduct mass. Can Karunanidi help them? Now, Christians fight with each other to worship the same God, conduct prayers invoking the same God and inviting the Priests-Christian Dikshitas[4] to do so. But the Catholic-Disksithas refuse to come. The Catholic Bishops refuse to recognize their Church built. How that they have TWO to approach ONE[5]? Why Karu does not issue GO in this effect? Why the secular Ruler keep quite or indulging in dereliction in his duty? The Black Parivar too has been keeping quite instead of leading the Scheduled Caste Catholics to their own Church, demanding the Catholic priests to conduct the prayers or select one Arumugaswamy- type Anthonysamy or some other Catholicsamy[6] to lead the march! Had they done so, this clash could have been avoided. The two souls could have been saved.
On March 9, 2008 (Sunday): The faithful Christians clashed with each other in the name of Jesus Christ or Mary, as reported by the TV-channels. Of course, they pointed out that they were Vanniars and Dalits (Scheduled Caste). Ironically, the media continues to use the term “Dalit", though it has already been announced that it is legally incorrect to use such term.
March 10, 2008 (Monday): Evidently, to suppress their omissions and commissions, the Bishops with their political clout started demanding enquiry, commission and compensation!
Enquiry Commissionand Compensation: Antonio Anandarayar[7] now demands a probe into the police firing at Eraiyur in Viulluppuram district. He also appeals to Karunanidhi to form an inquiry commission, compensation to the kin of the victims of police firing and those injured in the clash.
Vicar General knew the problem three months back: P. Antonisamy, the Vicar General said three months ago, Antonio Anandarayar, of Puducherry and Cuddalore, the Archdiocese had constituted a committee to look into the demands of Dalit Christians of Eraiyur. They had sought permission to conduct mass on Saturday evening and warned the Archdiocese to stop discrimination. Thus, the priest-heads in question know the discrimination very well and it has been perpetuated by them in spite of the converted Christians accusing them.
March 12, 2008 (Wednesday): “Peace Talks" were conducted for four hours under Ponmudi, the Minister[8]. Prajen Tranavnith – the Collector, Kathiravan – the District Revenue Officer, Amalraj – S.P, and other officials participated in the talks. They discussed the issue with the two groups and Christian priests separately. Then, Ponmudi asked all the three groups to sit together and discuss. The discussion lasted for four hours. Then, Ponmudi announced, “The meeting was conducted among the three connected groups - he two groups of Eraiyur and the Christian priest of Puducherry and Caddalore diocese for reaching a consensus that such incidences should not recur in Eraiyur and there should be a peaceful solution to the problem. The two groups – Vanniyars and Scheduled castes categorically asserted that they should have separate Churches for worship. The Christian priests responded that they would take decision after consulting with other priests in this regard during their meeting to be held on 13th March. Moreover, the Scheduled caste converted Christians have put forward a demand that the Church built by them should be recognized and approved by the diocese. The priests would come to their church and conduct prayers weekly one. The district administration would take decision as for their demand for setting up separate Fair-price shop. After the receipt of the report, the compensation would be granted for the damage" (Viduthalai, Marchh 13, 2008).
March 13, 2008 (Thursday): Indian Catholic responds in its own way as follows. Church leaders appealed for calm after two Catholics were killed and another injured when police fired at clashing groups of Catholics. Father Vincent Chinnadurai, the spokeman for the Tamil Nadu Bishops" Council told UCA news on March 11, “The clash was “unfortunate and counterwitness[9] to our Church" urging both groups “to reconcile and live amicably“.
Church leaders say the violence stems from alleged caste discrimination. The dalit group in Eraiyur"s Our Lady of the Rosary parish has been demanding a separate parish for their community. The dalit, descendants of low-caste people once called “untouchable, " accuse members of the rival Vanniyar community of neglecting them in the parish. According to the archdiocesan website, the parish was established in the 17th century and has about 10,000 Catholics, making it the biggest in Pondicherry- Cuddalore. Both feuding groups are considered economically weak, but the Vanniyar place themselves above the dalit in terms of caste. This tussle[10] within the local Catholic community is centuries old, Church people say. The latest flare-up began when some dalit Catholics went on a fast, demanding that Archbishop Anthony Anandarayar of Pondicherry- Cuddalore recognize a building they had already built as their parish church, dedicated to Our Lady of Perpetual Help. The group wanted the archbishop to officially declare it a parish and send a priest there. They also reportedly demanded the closure of the original parish. Police told media the demands of the “fasting group" infuriated the Vanniyar people, some 500 of whom attacked a dalit settlement and burned about 30 huts. Media reported that when police baton-charged the mob to disperse it, people responded by throwing stones that injured a few policemen. The police then opened fire. Two members of the Vanniyar community died as a result, and a third was injured. According to Archbishop Peter Fernando of Madurai , president of the Tamil Nadu Bishops" Council, another 40 people were injured in the fighting between the dalit and Vanniyar, and have received medical treatment. The bishops “are saddened by this incident," he told UCA News. “We urge both communities to restrain from violence." The regional bishops" council will look at such caste problems “more seriously and would try" to find some lasting solutions, Archbishop Fernando said. Although caste clashes are not unusual in the state, this was the first time Catholics were killed in such clashes, and mainstream media have widely reported this violence.
The above details are from the website: http://www.theindia ncatholic. com/report. asp?nid=10324 with emphasis added for the context.
The Revelations: The response of the Church, the Church leaders and of course, the “clashed and clashing Catholics" expose or reveal many interesting details about the utter failure of Jesus Christ in India [Note, we do not have anything against Jesus or Christ, but the way the missionaries convert Hindus, make them fight with each other and make money[11] by them is condemned and criticized].
V Acccording to P. Antonisamy, the Vicar General, it is three months problem or he knws it, as he said three months ago, Antonio Anandarayar, of Puducherry and Cuddalore, the Archdiocese had constituted a committee to look into the demands of Dalit Christians of Eraiyur.
V But UCAN asserts that, “This tussle within the local Catholic community is centuries old, Church people say." That is from 17th century onwards, they have been struggling but they could not remove the caste! What a wonderful theological experiment[12] in deed in India in the names of Jesus Christ!
V Why the so-called “alleged caste discrimination." Exists in the Church? Why alleged, the same Christians have written millions of books accepting the caste, race and other discriminations existing within Christianity! Even the in the newspapers, they seek brides and grooms only with caste affiliation instead of Jesus or Mary[13].
V Why the so-called dalit group in Eraiyur"s Our Lady of the Rosary parish has been demanding a separate parish for their community? The DRC has already implemented separate Churches and therefore, there is nothing wrong in allowing them each group to have a Church[14].
V Why they should accuse members of the rival Vanniyar community of neglecting them in the parish?
V Why Church built by Scheduled caste Christians is not recognized?
V What is the delay or role of Archbishop Anthony Anandarayar of Pondicherry- Cuddalore here?
V Why they resort to a fast, demanding that Archbishop Anthony Anandarayar of Pondicherry- Cuddalore recognize a building they had already built as their parish church?
V Why they should have wanted the archbishop to officially declare it a parish and send a priest there?
V Why they should have also reportedly demanded the closure of the original parish, which belongs to the 17th century as per their website[15]?.
V Why the non-violent method of and the demands of the “fasting group" infuriated the Vanniyar people?
V Why the Counter-Catholic groups should have, some 500 of whom attacked a dalit settlement and burned about 30 huts?
V If “The clash was “unfortunate and counterwitness to our Church" urging both groups “to reconcile and live amicably“, it clearly proves that the Church could not produce any effective witness so far.
V The Jesus also could not make them “to reconcile and live amicably“, in spite of their acceptance of Christ. Why then, Jesus should have failed?
V Ironically, intriguingly and interestingly, the so-called “Black Bishop", the “Dalit-Bishop" , etc., Ezra Shargunam has been keeping quite! It is inexplicable.
Hindus are concerned about the Catholic clashes: Ultimately, the most affected party has been the Hindus. The Catholics could right royally claim that their Catholic believers fight with each other, but what about the non-Catholics? They have been fishing in troubling waters by converting these failed souls to Protestant, Seventh Day Adventists and other denominations with huge amount of dollars pouring from USA , Germany and other countries through their TNCs, Foundations and affiliated NGOs. The more such intra and inter conversions[16] take place, there would be more theological, lityrgical and other clashes leading to or resulting in physical clashes. Unfortunately, the Black Parivar and Red Parivar groups collude with these groups. As for as the anti-Hindu tirade is concerned, they may be very happy, but considering the implications, the Christians have to be dealing, associating and hobnobbing with them. Hindus, thus get more nuisance, problems and issues, as these groups would ideologically attack them as scapegoat. These Blacksheep attack the Hindu scapegoats and enjoy the benefits together politically, financially and in other aspects. As people come to know the facts, they also start questioning and that is why more and more Christians are getting into the crimes of murders, rape, misappropriation of funds, cheating and so on. Therefore, the Hindus should be vigilant and try to advice the Christians to be careful in their approach and dealings.
VEDAPRAKASH 14-03-2008 [1] This is the last cry of Jesus Christ leaving his spirit on the cross according to Bibles. E.g, Matthew 27.40. [2] This is also famous Biblical quotation often used by the Christian propagandists to prove the equality of believers before their God in their religion. [3] Perhaps, they have decided to carry the sword, as Jesus warned, “Do not think that I have come here to bring peace, but sword" (Matthew 11.33). The verse.35 may be appropriate here, as brothers fight with each other! So perhaps, the bible works differently in India !. [4] One need not be worried about the usage of “Dikshithars" with them, as they have already all such paraphernalia – samis, Swamys, Iyers, Rayars, etc, You can note one Rayar in the context. [5] This just to provoke them as they used to claim that whether it is THREE or ONE, it is only THREE-in-One and ONE-in-THREE! [6] Inculturation under Vatican Council – II approve everything. [7] Is he a convert from Madhwa Brahmin group or simply he has such names to fool others or to show off his superiority? Only Jesus knows. [8] How the atheist Ministers work promptly in this case, wheres, they were sleeping in the case of “singing Tevaram in Tamil". Even the Minster for HR " CE did not care. [9] This is dangerous, ass they cannot incite violence and reap harvest. All have been witnessing what Christians have been doing in India . [10] Refer to my article, “Why Pope follows two ways in the name of God….". [11] Matthew 7.24, ye cannot serve God and mammon! [12] When such theological experiments fail, they should realize that they are wrong. If the Hindus are really fools, all should have become during the reign of the British or the moment Xavier implemented inquisition or at least during the Mohammedan rule to their religion. But this has not happened. [13] Let them first worry about this hypocrisy, then they can blame others for all other social aberrations etc. The western media has been also closing their eyes with all their professionalism. [14] It is better to get cured before it turns out to be fatal. [15] See, they do not forget their promotion of “Church History" in spite of killing and suffering! [16] It is not a problem for Catholics, but for Indians and Hindus. The irony is being a Christian, why they should be again and again converted? Is the God changed is not effective or the God is also changed? They should reveal about their position of God to the gullible Hindus as to who is the God – Jehovah, Mary, Jesus or Christ? Why then, they fight with Hindus for monotheism, pantheism and so on? |
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Posted on March 16th, 2008
I think the more the influence and pleading 9demand for enquiry. commission, compensation) of Bishops in this case perhaps shows the involvement of them. After all, as you point out they fish in troubled waters and try to get publicity in the world of mass-media hysteria. Incidentally, the following nerws made me to respond, as there have been some similarities - the affected have been the respective peole of the country, who got converted. Thus, such conversion i.e, the tribes or SCs becoming Christians promote hatred and division among the existing peaceful society. Theefore, if Jesus or Christ or Jesus Christ does that, he has to be thwon out for peace.
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Lif e sentence for Rwandan priest; genocide conviction upheld
Arusha, Mar. 13, 2008 (CWNews.com) - A special UN court has upheld the conviction of a Catholic priest in connection with the 1994 massacres in Rwanda, and handed the priest a life sentence.
Father Athanase Seromba, who was convicted in 2006 on genocide charges and sentenced to 15 years in prison. He had appealed the sentence to the UN court in Arusha, Tanzania. On March 12 the court upheld the conviction and increased the sentence to a life term.
The UN court found that Father Seromba had gathered nearly 2,000 members of the Tutsi tribe in his parish church, then directed leaders of the rival Hutu tribe to flatten the church with bulldozers and shot any parishioners who sought to escape.
After the bloodshed of 1994, in which 800,000 Tutsis were slaughtered, Father Seromba fled to the Republic of Congo, and then to Italy in 1997. In Florence, he presented a letter from his former bishop in Nyundo, Rwanda, and was assigned to parish work. In 2002, prosecutors pursuing suspects implicated in the Rwandan massacres caught up to the African priest, and sought extradition to bring him to trial. The Italian government granted that petition, and he was returned to face the Arusha tribunal.
Posted on March 17th, 2008
Appu Suresh,
It is stinking!!!! Where are you?? No-Discriminationaamla…..
Semma Koothuppaa…..
Regards,
Venkatesh
Posted on March 18th, 2008
I feel sorry for all the affected people, especially the Dalits who looked upon Xianity to save them from so-called clutches of Hindu casteism !
Kannirundhum Kurudargal ! (Blind ones with eyes !)
This proves that so-called casteism exists in ALL societies, irrespective of religion / location. There are examples from ALL corners of the globe, if only you can approach with an objective mind.
Posted on March 18th, 2008
It is no different elsewhere, in Maharashtra too converted christians are never treated at par with the so-called- christians. I happen to chat with a friend near home, his talks was full of regret when I asked him to reconvert, he fears threats from the thugs of the church - read conversion agents and pastors……….caught between the devil and the deep sea…….
Posted on March 18th, 2008
Hi Neversayno32,
If what u say is truth, can you ask your friend why be got converted ?:
(1) Money
(2) Promise of equality : did he convert due to caste oppression to hinduism and now find not getting treated properly..
or anyother reason..
Regards
Suresh G
Posted on March 19th, 2008
Gsuresh,
You have the answer yourself. Yes those are the only reasons, not only for neversayno32’s friend, but for everyone getting converted.
And these are the things, which you people promise and cheat them with. Where is your answer regarding this Erayur incident, instead of asking stupid questions always?
Do you know, today in news they said this (hihi: Of course this is Jaya News). I forgot the country. They are celebrating some religious (of course Christians) festival and as one of the rituals, they are whipping everyone who walks on the road. They even showed the clipping, and we all saw how the walkers were whipped? Now can you tell me, where in Bible or your other scriptures, this is said.
You guys are all still primitive and now I understand why you are so idiotic and shameless.
By the Way, everyday there is something or other happening, which is pulling your leg around and as usual you are silent about all these questions, because you dont have a face to answer the questions.
I am pretty sure, that you are also crying like neversayno32’s friend, “Why in the world did I got Converted? Now if I get reconverted, I will lose this foreign trip for ever as no one will want me for the kind of brain and shamelessness that I have. Ayyo!!!”
Regards,
Venkatesh
Posted on March 19th, 2008
Suresh,
So you agree that you get people converted with only these two promises.
Is Equality offered in your religion only when promised at the time of conversion?
I understand that people get baited by money upfront and go through the conversion process. So, if you give money for conversion, you do not give them Equality Status?
We do not understand your stand on this? Why do you cry foul ? By defacto standard, there is no Equality in your religion - Every Christian must really be proud of this. Then tthere’s is this thug threat for people who want to return to their original faith, after finding more ordeals than they had originally faced - what a pity!!
regards
Posted on March 19th, 2008
at least, in Hinduism, castes are honestly accepted;
in Xianity, it exists but they claim otherwise.
was it TVV or Kumar who gave the name of ‘money-bag convert’ to Asuresh ?
Got confirmed now, by your own admission, Asuresh !
Posted on March 19th, 2008
Hi mthirumalai,
Since I am reading u for the first time, I will clarify my position.
people in indiainterracts beleive that those are the two promises. Now neversayno32 have a very good opportunity to proove this. So he should ask his friend why he got converted.
Brahmins are confused on how to react to conversion. Instead of doing a root cause analysis, they are blaming christians. It is just like saying why are giving money to the beggars?. I am just giving an example, so please don’t be quick to blame me that I call some people as beggars.
There is no inequlity in teachings of Christ. But in certain social set up, due to the impact of original sociological reason, discrimination do exist in christainity. This I have told few times in other blogs.
In case of hinduism, inequality is prescribed in vedas. Hindus instaed of removing it trying to justify it.
If you really want to check the progress of christianity, you must understand how it is spreading. If you try to trivialise the progress by saying “money, food, job and false eqaulity”, then your religion will be in danger.
It is always better for christians, if non christians have improrer understanding on our conversion method.
Inspite of everthing, conversion will continue to happen in India and elsewhere. You can say whatever you want. But it is has no impact to christianity.
To me only christians’ improper behaviour can halt conversion in India..not the anger protest from hindus or any govt. laws.
Christianity says “Man is separated from God by his Sin. Jesus died on cross for our sin. Jesus can reconcile Man and God”. Christianity is not about politics, power game etc. He is just about reconcilation of man with God. Christainity is about living holy in the eyes of God.
Having said this, I admit in some blogs I did post “unchristian” comments…and I didn’t represent christainty in a right manner as I called neversayno32 as a porn-man etc.
You introspect your own heart and search for God….Don’t try to argue and try to be a clever. But with simple heart, search for God.
This is my stand : progress of christainity is not based on any allurement. It is based on power of God.
Regards
Suresh G