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Siddhas: Karunanidhi and Kanimozhi (Misinterpretation of Siddhas)
Published on June 23rd, 2008 In Blogging, News, Philosophy, Politics |  Views 462

Siddhas: Karunanidhi and Kanimozhi (Misinterpretation of Siddhas) 

Introduction: Karunanidhi was the first to quote Sivavakkiyar in the context of caste-consciousmess[1] (May 7, 2008) in the TN Assembly in response to the people who opposed the demolition of wall separating two people-groups. And now, his daughter Kanimozhi quotes Sivavakkiyar in the Caddalore DMK-women conference (June 16, 2008). So it is evident that the father and daughter sit together and do some home work for propagandistic purposes. As both being responsible and known Tamil experts and poets with a lot of clout and there have been objection from several quarters[2] about their wrong interpretation, it is imperative to analyse their version and as well as the original work of Sivavakkiyar itself.

The sudden love for Siddhas: The sudden love for Siddhas emanated from Karunanidhi and Kanimozhi appears to be intriguing, as they are declared atheists, that too, proven, anti-Hindu[3]. It has to be noted that the so-called “Siddhas” have never been anti-Vedic, anti-Hindu etc., as Christians, Mohammedans and atheists try to interpret[4]. Moreover, the choice of “Sivavakkiyar” and both go on giving exposition makes them ridiculous, as a cursory reading of Sivavakkiyar clearly exposes that both the father and daughter are lying to the core. It is evident that they have chosen Siddhas to beat Hindus below the belt in their usual way of Tamil rhetoric in their verbose rendering, where words require no meaning, but only flow all the time to make the listeners get attracted and greet with claps.

Why Tamil Pandits keep quite? But how the learned father and daughter have indulged in such a fooling act of lying and misinterpretation of the songs of Siddhars? Why the learned Tamil Pundits[5] are keeping silence? In this Tamilnadu, are there no Tamil knowing scholars who could give the meaning and correct the erring duo? Obviously, they are afraid, because the duo happened to be the CM of TN and his daughter is competing for power being a MP. Moreover, nowadays, citizens have to depend upon the Government departments for all their civil requirements and therefore, if they are branded as anti-Karunanidhi or so, they would be targeted and harassed like anything. At the worst, they may be attacked by the gundas also. However, people go on talk about freedom of expression, right to do so and so on.

The reasonable doubt: Giving wrong meaning and interpreting dishonestly using the official capacity and as well as portraying themselves as “Kalainjar” (Master of all arts) and “Kavinjar” (Poet) respectively have been totally unacceptable. Such self-acclaimed or self-declared scholars should be responsible enough to give correct and honest meaning and interpretation, as they are lecturing before the common people and not before Tamil pundits or scholars. How Tamil knowing “Kalainjar” and “Kavinjar” of their stature, experience and eloquence could give such falsities in the name of Tamil? Here only doubt comes that they have not been honest in dealing with subject matter. The Tamil poets of any period have never had such tradition. Telling lies, picking up two lines of four-line song, giving wrong interpretation etc., are not characteristic of Tamil poets. Had Kalamega Pulavar been alive, he would have burned them with his songs. Why even the Siddhas would fell ashamed of what these “Kalainjar” (Master of all arts) and “Kavinjar” (Poet) have been doing!

What Karunanidhi spoke about Siddhars and Sivavakkiyar: Karunanidhi quoted from second line verse no.38 of Siuvavakkiyar: “Whether human flesh and bones bear any numbers (to be identified with caste)?” Comparing the nature of “Prostitute” and “money”, as they go on change hands, ownership and enjoyment, he asks sarcastically as follows:

Where is (or what about) prostitute? Where is money?Whether human flesh and bones bear any numbers?Is the enjoyment of prostitute is different and that of money different?Both are inside to look at sharing. 

Here, the poet figuratively used the words “Praitti” (Prostitute) and “Panatti” (one who is with money or rich) in feminine genders. By money, the prostitute is enjoyed without any difference. As she takes money, thus he gives away his flesh covered with bones. The money given may be numbered but not the flesh and bones given. Thus, it is evident that he has quoted this poem out of context or giving bad example.

So politicians too have bastardized the caste system and giving share with percentage of numbers! More and more castes are coming to the market with pressure, influence and money also with the demand of reservation and that is given in numbers. He himself goes on offering such reservation to all – 3.5 for Mohammedans, 3.5 for Christians, though they do not want to be numbered. Very often, he addresses “Arunthathiyar” with such numbers. Why these numbers, only to enjoy. 

What Kanimozhi spoke about Siddhars and Sivavakkiyar: Quoting from Bharathidasan, she started, “O dear friend, Ariyar kept the Adi Dravidar in slums, as they were not acceptable to them”. Thus came Siddhas thereafter. She said that they ridicule Sastras in such words that even we may be surprised and citing Sivavakkiyar’s question, she pointed out how he scornfully asks, “O Chattanatha Pattare, when you get perspiration, breathlessness, exhaustion, would the Vedas help you?” So we should think that there was condition amounting to tearing down the scriptures”.  

This particular verse no. 13, comes first under “Yoganilai” of Sivavakkiyar[6]. After the first two lines, “O Chattanatha Pattare, when you get perspiration, breathlessness, exhaustion, would the Vedas help you?”, the third and fourth lines go like this, which are not mentioned by the learned Kani: “A tablet is enough, and mind knows it, then where is diseases for intestine and all? After attaining Sakti-Mukti-Siddhi”.  

So with the practice of Yoga, if such “Sakti-mukti-Siddhi” position is attained, then, the Vedas are not required. Otherwise, just for the sake of reciting Vedas, if anybody recites, he would be exhausted and he requires medicine only, as the reciting of Vedas become futile. Thus, knowingly, Kani has given wrong meaning just to excite the women sitting there. 

The Number-symbolism affecting Karu: Remember, what Karu composed on his birth day: “Made me a old-man reminding me that I am 85But at the age of 8 plus 5, thirteen,I pushed down the “Vedism” warning, “be at a distance, don’t touch”!”Any western or westernized mind would have been shocked at the revelation that he started writing against Vedas at the age of 13, as it is considered as inauspicious! Even they interpret that devil / evil entered him and acting him to do so. However, as he started quoting from Sivavakkiyar, it is evident that he was impressed by the Number-symbolism used by Sivavakkiyar i.e, 5 and 3 and 8. There are many poems dealing with numbers and their significance e.g, 16, 203, 260-264, 267, 275, etc. Incidentally, the numbers with which he implies are Tillai Natarajan (5) and Sri Ranganathan (8) and both are hated very much by Karu (verse no.54, 86, ). Of course, again their infinite hatred for Tillai Natarajan (5) and Sri Ranganathan (8) is revealed in their contemptuous cry: “The day on which Tillai Natarajan (5) and Sri Ranganathan (8) were blasted with tanks, that day is a golden day”. Thus, they have excelled Aurangazeb, Malikaffur and other iconoclasts and mauraders. 

Karunanidhi hobnobbing with Christian forgers, frauds and fake researchers: “Thomas myth” has been exposing the shameless manufacture of evidences by the spineless Christians. But what is intriguing is the association and official patronage extended to such frauds by Karunanidhi as CM and as well as littérateur.  

*      In January 1997, he changed the name “Parangimalai” to “Thomas malai”, however, there were no takers[7].

*      Deivanayagam[8], John Samuel[9], Moses Michael Faraday[10] and other fraudulent researchers in Siddhas and Saiva Siddhanta met Karunanidhi during 1996-2001 periods, as has been accepted by the group themselves recording in their propagandist literature[11]. Thus, the nexus is evident.

*      Starting with Arulappa, the Christians have been indulging in the unscrupoulous forgery of Siddhar-literature by all means.

*      V. Gnanasigamani[12] brought out his exposition “Agattiyar Gnanam” based on one forged work “Agattiyar padalgal”.

*     Deivanayagam followed and of course, here there was some response and he was completely exposed and the publishers themselves declared that “It was not a researched work”!.

*     Johm Samuel was cheating Muruga baktas with his “International conference on Skanda-Muruka” Private Limited, reportedly a non-profit company registered under Companies Act has turned to “Thomas fraud”. In his book, he recorded how they met Karunanidhi and all. 

Now even for the multi-million movie of the “greatest fraud ever made” on “dobting Thomas”, he has been declared as the “inaugurator” of the movie by the Christian crooks of forgery and criminals of history.

 What Sivavakkiyar says: In fact, he condemns the wrong-interpreters of God and religion. Even in his times, there had been groups indulging in non-spiritual activities, that is why Sivavakkiyar has categorically refuted them as follows: 

Is there your God and our God thus God existing separately,                       

Can God exist here and there as two Gods for two believers,                       

Do not you know that the omnipresent God is one.                       

Those who differentiate God would die with disease in their mouths”. 

There are specific poems, which compare Vaishnavite and Saivite branches of Hindu religion. Sivavakkiyar clearly mentions at many places that, “There is neither Hari nor Hara”, “Whether Black or Red, both are equal”, That one who has Chakra and another both live together”, “He is the Lord of Tillai and also that of Tiruvarangam”, “Narayana and Namasivaya are one and the same” and so on.

Why target Sivavakkiyar? The half-baked readers, scholars and experts of Siddhars have been playing havoc by all means as they have different motives. Sivavakkiyar is much hated by the Christians and hence they have been trying to malign Sivavakkiyar by all means. He has been very specific in attacking Christianity in many verses. He points out that “spirit” (avi) cannot speak (183) and questions the “immaculate conception” (verse. No.217); dividing devan – flesh of christ (Eucharist) (verse.no.218), criticizing Christian ochre robbed ones (220); As such concepts are not in India or Indian religion, it is evident that he criticized them specifically. The retaliation has been as follows. 

Saraswati Mahal Publishes a Christian book Blaspheming Saraswati[13]: In spite of the happenings, that the Christians have chosen to meddle with Institution like Saraswati Mahal[14] and tried their forged work published is intriguing and shocking. This is about publication of “Sivavakkiyar Veda Sattira Kummi” by the Saraswati Mahal Library Sangam, Tanjavur in 1988. The book has been blatantly anti-Hindu and a Christian apologetic work composed in easy colloquial Tamil in 1785 and published by the Protestant missionaries. However, the 203 years old manuscript suddenly appears in the library with D. no. 1246 M 895 and A. Panchanathan, Administrative Officer asked K. Kothandapani to edit and accepted by M. Ram Director for publication. Accordingly, it was duly published in 1988 with the notes of publisher and editor. 

When some scholars read, they found out that Vedanayagam Sastri already published the said book. Moreover, the book criticizes Hindu practices in debauched language as follows: 

“O Lady of Wisdom, after getting baptism, it is not known how your forehead bears namam, like a shameless person (134). 

“O Lady of Wisdom, like the idolaters wearing tilakam on the forehead for fun, can you become more beautiful? (135) 

“O Lady of Wisdom, what you say about the people who wear snake emblem embossed dollar (around the neck) and worship Yesu? (137) 

“O Lady of Wisdom, what is the meaning of wearing Tali with the symbol of Lakshmi inside? (138) 

“O Lady of Wisdom, how you enter church without any remorse or shame wearing such symbol? (139). 

Like this, verses go on criticizing Goddess of Learning. Ironically, none could believe that the persons involved could not have found the blunder the way in which the forged work, that too already published is published again. When some Hindus protested, the Library authorities withdrew the publication immediately[15]. 

Politicization and propaganda: The main point is that both have been carrying out such activities willfully as a part of elected government, which answerable to both believers and non-believers, and specifically Hindus, as their tirade has always been targeting them ultimately in spite of their lofty interpretation. This again makes to strengthen the thinking that the Indian secularism means anti-Hindu. Thus, for Dravidian protagonists and ideologists, “atheism” means anti-Hindu. This attitude nurtures others also to act anti-Hindu. Thus, the Christians and Mohammedans have been emboldened to malign Hindus by forming groups. And all use Siddhar-literature, as if they ganged together to carry out such strategy.

Conclusion: As impression is created, the Siddhas are not anti-Vedic, anti-Hindu and so on, but in fact support them exposing the duplicities, frauds, cheats and importers. It is evident that they had identified such frauds, as they burned the works of Tayumanavar and Sivaprakasar. About Sivaprakasar, the details are as follows[16]:

“Sivaprakasar (1680-1746): The Christian priests burned the Sivaprakasr’s poetic works like “Yesumada Niragaranam” (The Refutation of Christian Religion). The fate of another work “Yesumadha nigragam” is not known”. S. Somasundara Desikar[17] gives details of burning of a palm-leaf book composed by Sivaprakasar, a Tamil poet. Mentioning about it, he records that – 

“It is a book to rebut the Christian religion. Ramalinga Adigal used to mention that when Viramamunivar, compiled  Catura-agaradhi, came to Sivaprakasar to debate with him to eastablish his religion (Christianity), Sivaprakasar, rebutting his views, composed a poetry work “Yesmadha Nirakaranam” (The Refuting the Religion of Jesus). However, scholars point out as the date of Beschi was much later, Sivaprakasar could not have met him. Therefore, he must have encountered with some other Christian priest. The news of burning of the only copy of the book of Sivaprakasar was purchased by a Christian priest was reported in newspapers”. Beschi (1680-1747), later known as Viramamunivar, came from Italy for collecting Indian books and he came to India in 1710. A. Singaravelu Mudaliar[18]  gives the following details:   

“When he (the Christian priest) opposed Thuraimangalam Sivaprakasar and started abusing Saiva religion, Sivaprakasar immediately defeated him through a debate and composed a book “Saivadhushana Nigraham” (….of Saiva Religion). Later, he composed another work “Yesumadha Nirakaranam” and invalidated the Christian religion”.  

We know only that the book “Yesumadha Nirakaranam” was purchased and burned by the Christian priest, but the fate of “Saivadhushana Nigranam” is not known. Therefore, it is evident that they must have procured and destroyed it. The available few songs[19] expose the dirty tricks played by the Missionaries, as he censured them as follows (a free translation is given):  “You unwise men, searched for unripe, transformed as animals, claimed that your god is God, creep and twist in excreta like worms, but rush to darkness that I cannot help, you cannot understand the nuances and therefore, you cannot do anything (numbered as 1).  “You howl like a Tiger, pour venom like a viper, tell half-baked to others, which are useless for our country, debate without any purpose, but tell me how you fall within the category of human-beings? (2). “You preach so many things to divide our society, sermon to harm others, induce to do even other acts like murder which cannot be mentioned, in the name of word of God you carry out all inhuman acts, not even bound by the time, you behave like animals and commit nuisance and trouble us, create dissensions among the communities and therefore what you talk is only blunders and lies (3). 

From this, we can understand that even of the stature of Nobili or Beschi, in spite of their reported scholarship, claimed proficiency in many languages and possession of authorship over many books, it is ironical, intriguing and unbecoming to note that they have stooped down to such a mean level of blasphemy, as otherwise, Yogi like Sivaprakasar would not have criticized Christians like this.” 

The songs of Siddhas have to be understood in the context, as they have followed Indian principles of “Tarka” = argument[20]. They convey meaning in double-negative or asking negative questions, which cannot be interpreted bringing negative or opposite meaning[21], but the Christian, Mohammedan and anti-Hindu forces have been doing exactly the same.

Therefore, all should note that the DK-DMK-PMK-MDMK, atheist, communist, Christian and Mohammedan forces have been actually indulging in destroying Tamil culture, tradition, heritage and civilization under the guise of protecting, preserving and propagating Tamil[22]. Actually, the unholy forces, opposing elements and contradicting lumpen brigades have joined together only for that aim, hiding their motives.

That they have targeted Siddhas and literature cannot be neglected, as they could play havoc in the society. As the Tamils could spend much of their time in cinema, cricket and politics, besides regular routines, they could spend some time to ponder over thee happenings considering their progeny.

Definitely, we want our daughters and sons; grand-daughters and grand-sons rise not like this, but according to our culture, tradition, heritage and civilization. The more anti-Hindu propaganda and misguided Hindus supporting such forces, the more would be the harm to the Indian / Hindu society. Here, we should not mince words, as here, no politics is involved but the future our progeny. Thus we cannot compromise this type of atheism, analytical wisdom and such other things going on only to malign, destroy and blaspheme instead of actual protection, preservation and propagation of our culture, tradition, heritage and civilization.

Let us see how we could check, control and restrain them from doing maximum damage.

VEDAPRAKASH

22-06-2008. 

                                                                                       


[1] In the assembly, when he was responding to the consequent events taking place after the deolition of a compound wall at Uttpuram, Madurai district, he asked the high castes when they objected to the demolition of the wall. The local papers reported “Dinamalar” dated 07-05-2008 without mentioning Karnanidhi’s reference to Sivavakkiyar, wheres the “Vidithalai” gave more details including Sivavakkiyar reference made..

[2] Unfortunately, the Tamil scholars, vidvans and pundits have been still afraid of the Dravidian gang who might attack them. As for as the new creed and breed of “Tamil scholars”, there is nothing to say, as they have been sycophantic.

[3] Psychologists and researchers of psychology, sociology and anthropology could do psychoanalysis of these persons to find out the truth.

[4] Of late there have bee researches (mainly the Christian and Mohammedan categories) indulging in producing such literature with forged works, wrong interpretations and spurious writings.

[5] In Pothigai TV, some Tamil scholars are discussing about Siddhar-padalgal every week in morning hours and if they have guts, they could at least point out such fallacies.

[6] As appearing in the following book for ready reference:

N. Devanathan and A. Ramanathan, Siddar Periyakovai or Siddhar Padalgal (The Big compilation of Siddars or the Poems of Siddhars), Prema Prasuram, Madras, 1999.

[7] As the place is known as “Parangai malai”, the abode of “Parangis”, the polluted Portuguese and all other Europeans, the same name is still used.

[8] One of the collaborators with the former Archbishop Arulappa in their “Thomas fraud” and Arulappa created a Chair specifically for Deivanayagam  for the promotion of “Doubdting thomas myth”.

[9] John Samuel, another “Thomas myth” promoter paraded masquerading as the organizer of “International Conference-seminar on Skanda-Muruka”. Now abandoning “Skanda-muruka”, he has engaged himself in spreading the “Thomas myth”.

[10] Hailing from Christian College, Madras and having connection with LTTE. He attended “The World Islamic Tamil Literary conference” held in Colombo in 2002. He had a special trip to north-eastern areas with local contacts. He is the author of a book on Siddhar-padalgal with his bogus research.

[11] Deivanayagam, Viviliyam Tirukkural Saiva Siddhantam, Institute for the Study of Tamil Studies, Taramani, 1985.

Moses Michael Faraday, Tamil Siddhar Padalgalum Viviliyamum, CSI Diocese Publication, 1999 with “Vazthurai” from Karunanidhi as CM of TN (letter date 22-04-1999), Anbazhagan as Education Minister (letter dated 26-04-1999).

John G. Samuel, Tamizhagam vantha Thoma, Homeland Publishers, Chennai – 600 095, 2003.

[12] V. Gnanbasigamani, Agattiyar Gnanam, “Gnanodhyam”, 66/7, Association Salai, Chennai – 600 060, 1982.

[13] K. Kothandapani (Ed), Siva vakkiyar Vedasattirak Kummi, Tanjai Saraswati Mahal Nulaga Sangam, Tanjavur, 1988.

                Ironically, the same book was already published and in circulation. Therefore, the attempt of the Christians in this regard has been so cheap.

[14] Saraswati Mahal Library has been under the target of attack even in the case of “Sethu-samuthram” project by the Dravidian gang. The DMK sponsored central Minister T. R. Balu landed there creating scene and meddling with many manuscripts, documents, maps and old books. He misbehaved with the staff and officers of the library for allegedly leaking out evidences on “Sethu-samuthram”.

[15] T. N. Ramachandran, a Saiva Siddhanta scholar has provided details about this forgery and connected events.

[16] K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, The Indian / Hindu Response to Christianity and Christians in
South India (16th to 20th centuries), a paper sent to the HES conference held at New Jersy, 2007.

[17] S. Somasundara Desikar, Tamil Pulavargal Varalaru – Padinezham Nutrandu (Tamil) [The History of Tamil Poets – 17th Century],
Madras, 1939, p.174.
 

[18] A. Singaravelu Mudaliar, Abhidhana Cintamani, Asian Educational Services, New Delhi, 1981, p.657 and 1495.

[19] “Tanipadal toguthi” (compilation of miscellaneous songs).

[20] There have been books like “Tarka-sangraha”, the Manual for Argument dealing with all subjects, philosophies and theologies. Actually, the westerners took away these books, read, analysed and started bringing out books on “new subjects”. In fact, the present day ideologists use such principles unwittingly, as if they have their own.

[21] The most affected Hindus had been the rural and village population during the attacks, raids and ransacking operations of Mohammedans and European forces from 11th century onwards from north to south. Many Siddhas had been eyewitnesses to these heinous crimes and atrocities, as they used to wander in forests, hilly areas and remote places. That is why the simple people composed such songs recording the sufferings, inflictions and crimes of them in different way. Understanding this only, they started destroying the palm-leaf books.

[22] They are the modern-day “Kalabhras” (the Jain fanatics who destroyed the Tamil culture, tradition, heritage and civilization during early ceturies of the Current era CE) and thus the “Black parivar”.

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10 Responses to “Siddhas: Karunanidhi and Kanimozhi (Misinterpretation of Siddhas)”
    1. tvvenkatesh Says:
    Posted on June 23rd, 2008

    Wonderful!! Vedaprakash,

    A very nice exposition once again. Great job. This father-daughter duo has no moral rights to quote Sivavakkiyar. He is unparalleled for his words. The way these two misinterpret the great Siddhar, is really paining.

    Regards,
    Venkatesh

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    2. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on June 23rd, 2008

    The way in which they speak proves that they are the real fascists, but they go on accuse others.

    Knowing Tamil, it is shame that they misinterpret and mislead Tamil people.

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    3. vigni Says:
    Posted on June 23rd, 2008

    Kudos to Veda !!!

    Am not surprised by vedas exposition as this duo doesn’t have the credibility. Always double talks and appeasing the so-called minorities is the primary job for MK. We all know very well about our great ‘Kavignar’ Kanimozhi as she is the one who challenged Bharathiyar. As veda mentioned she has seen just the two lines and challenged bharathi without reading the complete poem.

    I remember bharathi’s poem quoted on indianinteracts some time back,

    “Nenjil Uramum Inri, Naermai Thiramum Inri,

    Vanjanai Solvaradi Kiliye, Vaai Chollil Veeraradi.

    Kangal Irandu Irundhum Kaanum Thiramai Attra

    Pengalin Kootamadi Kiliyae Paesi Payan Enna di”.

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    4. sundarananth Says:
    Posted on June 23rd, 2008

    MK and their ilk and his concubine’s daughter are all self proclaimed poets and poetess.His shallow knowledge has been exposed totally by Kannadasan and by the Revered Mahasvamiji of Kanchi concerning Tamil.
    To refute Mk’s portrayal of Valluvar as an agnostic person,Kanchi Periyava had extensively quoted and interpreted in His discourses compilation.Similarly Tolkappiyam verse in support of mantras being unalterable had also been pointed out by Swamiji.Sanga literatture and Madurai Kanchi was quoted by Mahasvamigal to prove that vedic tradition was the tradition of Tamilnadu and so on.
    The claim of MK and his so called daughter cannot pass the scrutiny of real scholars.Probably the cine sycophants and party functionaries can eulogise him as a scholar

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    5. Ezhavendan Says:
    Posted on June 25th, 2008

    The following is the report as appearing in “Deccan Herald” Wednesday, June 25, 2008

    Rs 50 cr film on St.Thomas

    http://www.deccan.com/chennaichronicle/City/Citynews.asp

    Chennai June 24: Call it the Dasavatharam impact. A Rs 50-crore-plus mega production in silver screen on Saint Thomas, one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ, who had spread Christian faith in Tamil Nadu and Kerala, is underway. A period film St.Thomas spanning continents is to be made in Tamil first with the help of technicians from Hollywood, Bollywood and Kollywood. Chief minister M.Karunanidhi is launching the ambitious project of the Catholic Archdiocese of Mylapore on July 3. “We are not looking for a superhero like Kamalhassan or Vijay to play the lead role of St.Thomas. When Mel Gibson made Passion of the Christ, he chose James Caviezel, a look-alike of Jesus to play the lead. We are searching for someone who resembles St.Thomas,” said Dr Paulraj Lourdusamy, the chief researcher and script-writer of the film.

    Though the film is a tragedy, ending with the killing of St.Thomas in Chennai, it will have enough entertainment with nine songs. The blueprint of the film says, “In the two songs that Saint Thomas sings in Kerala, 22 types of dances of Kerala with their distinct music will be included. In a song that St.Thomas sings in Tamil Nadu, we will present 12 types of dances of Tamil Nadu and their special music as the background to the songs.”

    The story begins with the journey of the apostle to Edessa, a town in Syria around 29 A.D. Thomas’s travel through Persia to Taxila in modern Afghanistan and return to Jerusalem is also covered. He reaches Kerala by around 52 A.D and the next 20 years of preaching Christian faith in the continent is the major part of the film. St.Thomas’s meeting with Thiruvalluvar is an interesting part of the story. His encounter with the “reported animal and human sacrifice in the Chennai of first century” may create some controversy once the film is ready for release in 2010.

    1. The Thomas myth has been the biggest fraud in India as pointed out by Vedaprakash in 1989 itself in his book.

    2. It is unfortunate that Tamil scholars have been keeping quite when Saiva religion is blasphemed by these crooked christian fanatics.

    3. Deivanayagam, Gnanasigamani, Faraday, Arulappa, John Samuel, P. P. Job and others have been pacca frauds involved in forgery etc.

    4. It is ironical that in spite of going to Madras High Court and getting exposed without any shame, they announce, just because they have monery.

    5. They know about Eraiyur. Why can’t they divide the Rs. 50 crores and give it to them?

    6. Why they have been so mad about the movie.

    7. Karunanidhi would become the shameless creature, the moment he inagurates the movie and he may be grouped with these frauds and cheats.

    8. Above all, Tiruivalluvar would be degraded before these historical frauds. His “Kuralovuiyam” would go to dustbins.

    9. Really I do not know how these frauds have been going around and giving interview to the press.

    10. How the press people even without knowing the basics, they are publishing such nonsense in their papers as “news”.

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    6. Ezhavendan Says:
    Posted on June 25th, 2008

    I am sorry, the above posting should not have been posted here.

    Therefore, I request that the moderator / head may delete my above posting Sl. No.5.

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    7. ilangovan Says:
    Posted on June 26th, 2008

    Why get so paranoid? When the society is so much enthraled in superstition and wasting time,money,health etc. on worshiping,is it not right to say what saints have said?
    As a CM he was speaking against the high caste wall against fellow humans walking thru’.
    She was addressing the women and telling them to come to 21st century from their old habits and beliefs.She quoted the Siddhars to make the point.
    கல்லிணைச் செம்பினைக் கட்டையைக் கும்பிடல்
    புல்லறிவாகுமோடி குதம்பாய் புல்லறி வாகுமோடி?–குதம்பைச் சித்தர்.

    ஓசையற்ற கல்லைநீர் உடைத்து உருக்கள் செய்கிறீர்
    பூசை பெற்ற கல்லிலே பூவும் நீருஞ் சாற்றுறீர்
    வாசலில் பதித்தகல் மழுங்கவே மிதிக்கிறீர்
    ஈசனுக்கு உகந்த கல் இரண்டு கல்லுமல்லவே–சிவ வாக்கியர்

    நட்டு வைத்த தேவரும் நடாது வைத்த தேவரும்
    சுட்டு வைத்த தேவரும் சுடாது வைத்த தேவரும்
    இட்டு வைத்த இடத்தை விட்டு எழுந்திராத தேவரை
    வட்டமிட்டு மாந்தர்கள் வணங்குமாறு எங்கனே!- சிவ வாக்கியார்.

    “அக்னி ரதே லோத் துவிஜாதீ நாம் முனி நாம் ஹிருதி தைவதம்:
    பர்மாஸ்வ பாபுத்தாரம் சர்வத்ர சமதர்கின–உத்திரகீதை

    துவிஜர்க ுக்குத் தெய்வம்-நெருப்பு
    முனிவர்களுக்குத் தெய்வம் இருதயத்தில்
    புத்தியில்லாதவர்களுக்கு விக்கிரகத்தில்
    சமதிரிஷ்டி உடையவர்களுக்குத் தெய்வம் எங்கும்.

    Why not teach these things and save them instead of finding faults!
    If you really want to do some good try to under stand and help the common man how to
    improve them .the more mud you throw people will know that is coming from inside your skull!

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